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Hi Al,
Thanks for the work on the Masquerade. From what we've dug up I think that between 1988-1996 for the Ritz Ybor venue both Masquerade and Ritz were used, maybe depending on the promoter. Some well-documented shows (like Nirvana) definitely call it Masquerade and you have tickets that sa Ritz Theatre. If I had to guess I would say Masquerade was used almost exclusively from 1988-1992 and from 1992-1995 or 96 that both were but it's only a guess. I'm not changing any setlists as it seems okay to me right now.
Cheers,
Ben

Here's what I think the situation was. The Masquerade opened as a "bar" in the mid-1980s. Around 1987 they started holding shows at the Ritz and possibly other locations including their original location. I can find no info on when the original bar closed. From 1988 to the mid-1990s many of these shows were held at the Ritz but the Ritz probably held other "non-Masquerade" shows. So from around 1987 to the mid 1990s we are guessing where these shows were held unless someone knows for sure or attended a particular show.
Do you think this is plausible?

Thanks for the info. I'll add that to the venue notes.

Make all the changes that you think should be made. If the site doesn't let you let me know and I will see what I can do. We can always create temporary work arounds or aliases that can be removed later if they will speed things up (like a temporary alias for Ritz Theatre) or whatever you need. I'd like to get a street name for the earlier Masquerade if possible. I have a couple other sources to check for that too.

Alan, regarding your changes to my Willie Nelson setlist: you say the Hank tunes are always in a medley, but listening to the tape there is a distinct ending and space after Jambalaya. The other two are more ambiguous, but I say not a medley

Thanks for the info. Did we ever find out where The Masquerade was before it moved to the Ritz Theatre? I know they held some shows at other venues but it's been so long I've forgotten any details I might have had and can't find (or am blocked) the sources I saw back then.

Re: Bungle, Yeah, I lucked out with the AmEx presale on wed and got a ticket to the SF & LA shows... I may still try to get a ticket to the 2nd LA show... I'm flying down on points; so at least that'll be cheap. LOL

Re: Zorn, I decided this year to see Zorn any chance I could... so I'm flying to NYC for his Village Vanguard run in Oct/Nov. I lucked out in that it wasn't Bagatelles, but the New Masada Quartet (with Julian Lage on guitar). See Masada with a guitar focus should be interesting.

Hot tip, Zorn has done residencies three times at The Chapel in SF... two in May; so I'm putting May on my "fly to SF" radar from here on out. :)

I'm going through and changing The Ritz Ybor setlists chronologically so I will stop for now. If you do contact him it would be nice to know where the Masquerade was previously located. I am hoping that the Masquerade shows we have listed were played there and not that the Masuerade promoted shows at the Ritz Theatre when it was called that.

Working backwards then "The Ritz Ybor" opens in 2008 after the Masquerade closes in 2006. The Masquerade moves to the Ritz Theatre space around 1999 but was open in a different space before that. At this point we don't know where the Masquerade was located originally or exactly when it first opened. The Ritz Theatre name was used until around 1999 when it became the Masquerade. Sound right?

From what I can find on the internet I think the Masquerade moved to the Ritz space sometime in 1999. I Read an article about the closing of Masquerade that implied it opened there 7 years before that. We also had only one Ritz setlist on our site between 2000-2007 and that was unsourced by a User who constantly guesses at venues. So that is a start at least.

No problem. I am going to have to do some research and see if I can come up with the dates the Masquerade moved to the Ritz space and other details so we can get these done right.

Al,
So it sounds like the Masquerade opened at a different location before moving to the space that became The Ritz Ybor? And during the time it was at the other location the Ritz venue was being occupied and called the Ritz Theatre or Ritz Theater? If so we'll change the setlists to reflect that and try to pin down when the Masquerade moved into the the Ritz space if that is possible.

Thanks for creating entries for the W-Festival. Next time you do so, please make sure you pick the right venue (Expo Waregem) and festival name (https://www.setlist.fm/festivals/w-festival-2bd6f07e.html)

From what you're saying I'm guessing that until 2006 the name flip-flopped between the Ritz Theatre/Ritz Theater and Masquerade. Starting in 1908 the official name became "The Ritz Ybor" and Masquerade was no longer used but Ritz Theatre may have still been used by some people. It makes it hard to assign Ritz Theatre as an alias to either one.

Al,
I'm going to be reluctantly merging Ybor City into Tampa in a little while because it is a "neighborhood" and not a separate municipality. There are already some venues located in Ybor City that are in our Tampa listings.
This would be the venue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ritz_Ybor

That you listed this setlist at:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/black-flag/1985/ritz-theatre-ybor-city-fl-1bc4a1ec.html#sfmses73053e15

I will merge that venue into Masquerade listed in Tampa unless you feel there is a reason not to and update the venues later too...thought you'd like to know
Cheers
Ben

Hi Alan...thank you for your comment regarding my multiple DNC shows. Honestly, its well over a hundred times. And I have some more stubs to post, but sadly, I saw them many times in small pay-at-the-door clubs.

BTW, I am blown away that your page lists 996 different artists! :O

Seems like the State Theatre in Saint Petersburg closed in June 2018 but was then going to reopen in the fall but didn't and scheduled concerts were cancelled. Apparently they are trying to reopen. You're probably right that we should have it closed in 2018. If it reopens we can always take off the closed date.
Cheers,
Ben

Thanks to your support, I have completed the Melt-Banana setlists in September 2016. : )

Thanks for the addition. I have made some quick fixes. Later, will do more. : )

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